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		<title>By: Richard Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/04/25/kripkenite/comment-page-1/#comment-19233</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thatnks for the info GNZ

Tanasije, it would matter only in so far as we want to determine if the chemical compound was completely made up, or if the author had heard about the actual chemical compund and was including it on purpose. Which, if you buy the Kripke line like I (and I think you) do, will determine if the stuff discovered  is really Kryptonite...but this gets us into tricky issues about story continuity...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thatnks for the info GNZ</p>
<p>Tanasije, it would matter only in so far as we want to determine if the chemical compound was completely made up, or if the author had heard about the actual chemical compund and was including it on purpose. Which, if you buy the Kripke line like I (and I think you) do, will determine if the stuff discovered  is really Kryptonite&#8230;but this gets us into tricky issues about story continuity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/04/25/kripkenite/comment-page-1/#comment-19189</link>
		<dc:creator>GNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ric,
as I understand it the formula is added by the Superman returns guys. It also requires florine and possibly by implication also radioactive krypton or a high mass radioactive element. The comics and the TV series imply it was a high mass radioactive metal that is for some odd reason fairly stable (250,000 yr half life) although the name sugests some sort of krypton/oxygen combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric,<br />
as I understand it the formula is added by the Superman returns guys. It also requires florine and possibly by implication also radioactive krypton or a high mass radioactive element. The comics and the TV series imply it was a high mass radioactive metal that is for some odd reason fairly stable (250,000 yr half life) although the name sugests some sort of krypton/oxygen combination.</p>
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		<title>By: Brain Hammer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Crushing Puppies, Superman</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/04/25/kripkenite/comment-page-1/#comment-19108</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain Hammer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Crushing Puppies, Superman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brain Hammer Pete Mandik&#8217;s Intermittently Neurophilosophical Weblog      &#171; Kripkenite [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Brain Hammer Pete Mandik&#8217;s Intermittently Neurophilosophical Weblog      &laquo; Kripkenite [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tanasije Gjorgoski</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/04/25/kripkenite/comment-page-1/#comment-19027</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanasije Gjorgoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, you said...

&lt;blockquote&gt;On the other hand though, I have been meaning to ask whether or not this chemical composition was part of the original story or if it was added by this new director of the recent Superman Returns?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Would you say that it would make some kind of difference in relation to the issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, you said&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>On the other hand though, I have been meaning to ask whether or not this chemical composition was part of the original story or if it was added by this new director of the recent Superman Returns?</p></blockquote>
<p>Would you say that it would make some kind of difference in relation to the issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/04/25/kripkenite/comment-page-1/#comment-19024</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Ok, it's fixed...I thought I had killed the brain hammer!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Ok, it&#8217;s fixed&#8230;I thought I had killed the brain hammer!!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/04/25/kripkenite/comment-page-1/#comment-19023</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh...is everything going to be blockquoted now? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
test....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh&#8230;is everything going to be blockquoted now?<br />
test&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanasije Gjorgoski</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/04/25/kripkenite/comment-page-1/#comment-19020</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanasije Gjorgoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a weird moment when Kripke started talking about Pete, negating his own theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a weird moment when Kripke started talking about Pete, negating his own theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/04/25/kripkenite/comment-page-1/#comment-18990</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang! :0 Did I forget a tag? The Kripke quote ends with '...what the myth is about' and my comments start with 'So, in Pete's story'

Sorry about that!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang! :0 Did I forget a tag? The Kripke quote ends with &#8216;&#8230;what the myth is about&#8217; and my comments start with &#8216;So, in Pete&#8217;s story&#8217;</p>
<p>Sorry about that!!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/04/25/kripkenite/comment-page-1/#comment-18988</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang! Did I forget a tag? Obviously that last paragraph/question is mine, not Kripke's :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang! Did I forget a tag? Obviously that last paragraph/question is mine, not Kripke&#8217;s <img src='http://www.petemandik.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2007/04/25/kripkenite/comment-page-1/#comment-18987</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone,

Someone agrees with me? Cool...

One thing we need to keep in mind is the distinction between natural kind terms and artificial kind terms, so there may be a difference between 'kryptonite' and 'puppy crusher' on this account, but more importantly here is the answer to Pete's question (taken from the passage Pete Quotes from the appendix to Naming and necessity
&lt;blockquote&gt;The epistomological theisis is more easily argued. If a stopry is found describing a substance with the physical appearance of gold, one cannot conclude on this basis that it is talking about gold; it may be talking about 'fools gold'. What substance is being discussed must be determined as in the case of proper names: by historical connection of the story with a certain subtance. When the connection is traced, it may well turn out that that the substance dealt with was gold, 'fools gold' or something else. Similarly, the mere discovery of animals with the properties attributed to unicorns in the myth would by no means show that these were the animals the myth was about: perhaps teh myth was spun out of whole cloth, and the fact that animals with the same appearance actually existed was mere coincidence. In that case, we cannot say that the unicorns of the myth really existed; we must also establish a historical connection that shows that the myth is &lt;i&gt;about&lt;/i&gt; So, in Pete's story we would need to determine if by 'gin' he meant gin, or vodka, or someother thing that we haven't heard of and so on. If he did mean gin by 'gin' then Tanasije is right. But in the case of kryptonite, I think it safe to assume that they made it up 'whole cloth' and that any connection to reality is purely accidental. So to determine if something is necessarily fictional we need to trace the causal/historical chain back to the initial baptisism and find out if it involved a real object or was made up out of the blue. If the latter, then the stuff in question is necessarily fictional. 

On the other hand though, I have been meaning to ask whether or not this chemical composition was part of the original story or if it was added by this new director of the recent Superman Returns?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone,</p>
<p>Someone agrees with me? Cool&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing we need to keep in mind is the distinction between natural kind terms and artificial kind terms, so there may be a difference between &#8216;kryptonite&#8217; and &#8216;puppy crusher&#8217; on this account, but more importantly here is the answer to Pete&#8217;s question (taken from the passage Pete Quotes from the appendix to Naming and necessity</p>
<blockquote><p>The epistomological theisis is more easily argued. If a stopry is found describing a substance with the physical appearance of gold, one cannot conclude on this basis that it is talking about gold; it may be talking about &#8216;fools gold&#8217;. What substance is being discussed must be determined as in the case of proper names: by historical connection of the story with a certain subtance. When the connection is traced, it may well turn out that that the substance dealt with was gold, &#8216;fools gold&#8217; or something else. Similarly, the mere discovery of animals with the properties attributed to unicorns in the myth would by no means show that these were the animals the myth was about: perhaps teh myth was spun out of whole cloth, and the fact that animals with the same appearance actually existed was mere coincidence. In that case, we cannot say that the unicorns of the myth really existed; we must also establish a historical connection that shows that the myth is <i>about</i> So, in Pete&#8217;s story we would need to determine if by &#8216;gin&#8217; he meant gin, or vodka, or someother thing that we haven&#8217;t heard of and so on. If he did mean gin by &#8216;gin&#8217; then Tanasije is right. But in the case of kryptonite, I think it safe to assume that they made it up &#8216;whole cloth&#8217; and that any connection to reality is purely accidental. So to determine if something is necessarily fictional we need to trace the causal/historical chain back to the initial baptisism and find out if it involved a real object or was made up out of the blue. If the latter, then the stuff in question is necessarily fictional. </p>
<p>On the other hand though, I have been meaning to ask whether or not this chemical composition was part of the original story or if it was added by this new director of the recent Superman Returns?</p></blockquote>
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