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		<title>By: Brain Hammer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Chapter 3</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-25154</link>
		<author>Brain Hammer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Chapter 3</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-25154</guid>
		<description>[...] In case you think you&#8217;ve heard it (and hated it) all before, pause and appreciate this: you haven&#8217;t. There&#8217;s new stuff peppered throughout. See, for instance, the brand-spanking-new section 7. Enjoy! The conclusion of the Unicorn argument is incompatible with HOT and FOR. HOT and FOR derive much of their plausibility from Transitivity and Transparency, respectively. If the lesson of the Unicorn is something that we can live with, then perhaps we must either (1) learn to live without Transitivity and Transparency or (2) find a way of accepting Transitivity and Transparency while rejecting HOT and FOR. Option (1) is the best option. Option (2) is unwelcome because it is hard to see how Transitivity and Transparency donâ€™t just lead relatively directly to HOT and FOR, respectively. Further, a direct case for (1) can be made, and it is the aim of this section to make it. Resistance to abandonment of Transitivity and Transparency may be due to the fact that both theses are prima facie plausible and arguably useful. However, I think that their plausibility can be explained away and their utility can be had by much more plausible substitutes. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In case you think you&#8217;ve heard it (and hated it) all before, pause and appreciate this: you haven&#8217;t. There&#8217;s new stuff peppered throughout. See, for instance, the brand-spanking-new section 7. Enjoy! The conclusion of the Unicorn argument is incompatible with HOT and FOR. HOT and FOR derive much of their plausibility from Transitivity and Transparency, respectively. If the lesson of the Unicorn is something that we can live with, then perhaps we must either (1) learn to live without Transitivity and Transparency or (2) find a way of accepting Transitivity and Transparency while rejecting HOT and FOR. Option (1) is the best option. Option (2) is unwelcome because it is hard to see how Transitivity and Transparency donâ€™t just lead relatively directly to HOT and FOR, respectively. Further, a direct case for (1) can be made, and it is the aim of this section to make it. Resistance to abandonment of Transitivity and Transparency may be due to the fact that both theses are prima facie plausible and arguably useful. However, I think that their plausibility can be explained away and their utility can be had by much more plausible substitutes. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Philosophers&#8217; Carnival :: Philosophers&#8217; Carnival XXXVI :: September :: 2006</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-17821</link>
		<author>Philosophers&#8217; Carnival :: Philosophers&#8217; Carnival XXXVI :: September :: 2006</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-17821</guid>
		<description>[...] Brain Hammer: http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Brain Hammer: <a href="http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/" rel="nofollow">http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/</a> [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Brain Hammer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Me So &#8216;Corny</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-17802</link>
		<author>Brain Hammer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Me So &#8216;Corny</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-17802</guid>
		<description>[...] Over at the Philosophy of Brains blog, Richard Brown has a post called &#8220;Kripke, Consciousness, and the &#8216;Corn&#8221; in which he tries to defend Higher-Order Representational theories of consciousness against the Unicorn Argument, by wedding HOR to a Kripkean cauasal theory of reference. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Over at the Philosophy of Brains blog, Richard Brown has a post called &#8220;Kripke, Consciousness, and the &#8216;Corn&#8221; in which he tries to defend Higher-Order Representational theories of consciousness against the Unicorn Argument, by wedding HOR to a Kripkean cauasal theory of reference. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Brain Hammer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Unicorn Hits the Road</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-15524</link>
		<author>Brain Hammer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Unicorn Hits the Road</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-15524</guid>
		<description>[...] If you won&#8217;t be an Atlanta, there&#8217;s a draft here and a synopsis here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] If you won&#8217;t be an Atlanta, there&#8217;s a draft here and a synopsis here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Brain Hammer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dear Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-15294</link>
		<author>Brain Hammer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dear Watson</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-15294</guid>
		<description>[...] The gist of the Unicorn Argument against representational theories of consciousness is that while both higher-order and first-order representational theories (HORs and FORs) require the existence of such a property as being represented, there is no such property since we can mentally represent things that don&#8217;t exist and things that don&#8217;t exist don&#8217;t instantiate properties. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The gist of the Unicorn Argument against representational theories of consciousness is that while both higher-order and first-order representational theories (HORs and FORs) require the existence of such a property as being represented, there is no such property since we can mentally represent things that don&#8217;t exist and things that don&#8217;t exist don&#8217;t instantiate properties. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Mandik</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-3247</link>
		<author>Pete Mandik</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-3247</guid>
		<description>Chase,

I'm happy at this point to view our disagreement as verbal. There's something that bothers me about this "purport to refer" stuff that I cannot articulate to my satisfaction. Here's an unsatisfactory attempt:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
There are two different kinds of things that fail to refer: those that purport but fail, and those that don't even purport. What account can be given of what this difference consists in that doesn't just sneak through the back door the relationality of purporting? I can't think of one, so there is none.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As I said, that's unsatisfactory, so I'm happy to drop it for now.

P.S. So, what are the origins of "Cambridge properties" and "Cambridge changes"? I have a dim recollection that these were born of disparaging remarks made by someone not at Cambridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chase,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy at this point to view our disagreement as verbal. There&#8217;s something that bothers me about this &#8220;purport to refer&#8221; stuff that I cannot articulate to my satisfaction. Here&#8217;s an unsatisfactory attempt:</p>
<blockquote><p>
There are two different kinds of things that fail to refer: those that purport but fail, and those that don&#8217;t even purport. What account can be given of what this difference consists in that doesn&#8217;t just sneak through the back door the relationality of purporting? I can&#8217;t think of one, so there is none.
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<p>As I said, that&#8217;s unsatisfactory, so I&#8217;m happy to drop it for now.</p>
<p>P.S. So, what are the origins of &#8220;Cambridge properties&#8221; and &#8220;Cambridge changes&#8221;? I have a dim recollection that these were born of disparaging remarks made by someone not at Cambridge.</p>
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		<title>By: Chase Wrenn</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-3188</link>
		<author>Chase Wrenn</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 00:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-3188</guid>
		<description>I think the important point about internal relations is that they aren't real relations at all. There's no point counting them, because aRb is equivalent to ($x)($y)(a=x &#38; b=y).

So, in answer to your question, I think I'd say this. r bears R to u but not a, b, c, etc. simply in virtue of the fact that u is not identical with a, b, c, etc.

Now, you don't like saying 'unicorn representations don't represent unicorns'. I think I do like saying it, but I think our disagreement is verbal. I read it as saying that unicorn representations don't refer to unicorns, and you (I'll bet) read it as saying that unicorn representations dont' *purport* to refer to unicorns.

I'll be glad to adopt your lingo. To represent unicorns is to purport to refer to unicorns. The important point is that purporting to refer to unicorns is an intrinsic feature of a unicorn representation. So, if there were any unicorns, they would be referred to by unicorn-representations simply in virtue of the fact that (a) the unicorns exist while (b) there are representations with a certain intrinsic feature. That makes being referred to by a unicorn representation a Cambridge property.

And so we have the Moorean Mermaid:

1. Phenomenality is a genuine property, not a Cambridge property.
2. "Being represented" is a Cambridge property.
3. Therefore, phenomenality is not the same as being represented.

[I have no idea why I want associate Moore with the disparaging of Cambridge properties, but I was really aiming for fantastical alliteration more than anything else.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the important point about internal relations is that they aren&#8217;t real relations at all. There&#8217;s no point counting them, because aRb is equivalent to ($x)($y)(a=x &amp; b=y).</p>
<p>So, in answer to your question, I think I&#8217;d say this. r bears R to u but not a, b, c, etc. simply in virtue of the fact that u is not identical with a, b, c, etc.</p>
<p>Now, you don&#8217;t like saying &#8216;unicorn representations don&#8217;t represent unicorns&#8217;. I think I do like saying it, but I think our disagreement is verbal. I read it as saying that unicorn representations don&#8217;t refer to unicorns, and you (I&#8217;ll bet) read it as saying that unicorn representations dont&#8217; *purport* to refer to unicorns.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be glad to adopt your lingo. To represent unicorns is to purport to refer to unicorns. The important point is that purporting to refer to unicorns is an intrinsic feature of a unicorn representation. So, if there were any unicorns, they would be referred to by unicorn-representations simply in virtue of the fact that (a) the unicorns exist while (b) there are representations with a certain intrinsic feature. That makes being referred to by a unicorn representation a Cambridge property.</p>
<p>And so we have the Moorean Mermaid:</p>
<p>1. Phenomenality is a genuine property, not a Cambridge property.<br />
2. &#8220;Being represented&#8221; is a Cambridge property.<br />
3. Therefore, phenomenality is not the same as being represented.</p>
<p>[I have no idea why I want associate Moore with the disparaging of Cambridge properties, but I was really aiming for fantastical alliteration more than anything else.]</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Mandik</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-3110</link>
		<author>Pete Mandik</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-3110</guid>
		<description>Chase,

Thanks for the reference. Thanks too for exploring this line.

I really have no problem with R beyond calling it 'representation' and related problems.

I don't mind saying that there are relations between x and y that obtain between them solely in virtue of their existing, for example, "_is a proper part of the same mereological fusion as _ is" or "_is a member of the same set as _is".

I do mind saying things like "unicorn representations don't represent unicorns"

Suppose there exists both a unicorn, u,  and a unicorn-rerpesentation, r.

I bet there are lots of relations that r bears to u in virtue of them both existing. Which one is the R relation?

I bet there are lots of relations r bears to things a, b, c, etc. other than u in virtue of merely existing. In virtue of what does r bear R to u but not a, b, c, etc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chase,</p>
<p>Thanks for the reference. Thanks too for exploring this line.</p>
<p>I really have no problem with R beyond calling it &#8216;representation&#8217; and related problems.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind saying that there are relations between x and y that obtain between them solely in virtue of their existing, for example, &#8220;_is a proper part of the same mereological fusion as _ is&#8221; or &#8220;_is a member of the same set as _is&#8221;.</p>
<p>I do mind saying things like &#8220;unicorn representations don&#8217;t represent unicorns&#8221;</p>
<p>Suppose there exists both a unicorn, u,  and a unicorn-rerpesentation, r.</p>
<p>I bet there are lots of relations that r bears to u in virtue of them both existing. Which one is the R relation?</p>
<p>I bet there are lots of relations r bears to things a, b, c, etc. other than u in virtue of merely existing. In virtue of what does r bear R to u but not a, b, c, etc?</p>
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		<title>By: Chase Wrenn</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-3099</link>
		<author>Chase Wrenn</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-3099</guid>
		<description>Don't fear the first premise, Pete. To say that R is an internal relation is not to say that R is a relation and R is internal. It's to say that R is a pseudo-relation whose obtaining amounts to nothing other than the existence of its relata.

So, I think you can accept premise 1 without supposing that the existence of unicorn-representations implies the existence of unicorns. Unicorn-representations don't represent unicorns (there being no unicorns for them to represent), but they would if only there were some unicorns for them to represent.

Another way of putting the point of the previous paragraph: Being a unicorn representation is not a relation to unicorns, and it is not the same as representing unicorns. Unicorn representations and unicorns are independent existences, and for a unicorn representation to represent a unicorn is nothing more than for both of them to exist.

As for a concise statement of Heil's thoughts on representation, I think I'd direct you to Chapter 18, "Intentionality," in *From and Ontological Point of View*. But beware, I think he's more interested in defending internalism there than anything else, and he doesn't say explicitly that representation is an internal relation. My attribution is based on having heard him say that truth-making is an internal relation about seventy or eighty times this summer.

You might find that the nascent internalism of the view that representation is an internal relation is not to your liking. I wouldn't blame you fo that at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t fear the first premise, Pete. To say that R is an internal relation is not to say that R is a relation and R is internal. It&#8217;s to say that R is a pseudo-relation whose obtaining amounts to nothing other than the existence of its relata.</p>
<p>So, I think you can accept premise 1 without supposing that the existence of unicorn-representations implies the existence of unicorns. Unicorn-representations don&#8217;t represent unicorns (there being no unicorns for them to represent), but they would if only there were some unicorns for them to represent.</p>
<p>Another way of putting the point of the previous paragraph: Being a unicorn representation is not a relation to unicorns, and it is not the same as representing unicorns. Unicorn representations and unicorns are independent existences, and for a unicorn representation to represent a unicorn is nothing more than for both of them to exist.</p>
<p>As for a concise statement of Heil&#8217;s thoughts on representation, I think I&#8217;d direct you to Chapter 18, &#8220;Intentionality,&#8221; in *From and Ontological Point of View*. But beware, I think he&#8217;s more interested in defending internalism there than anything else, and he doesn&#8217;t say explicitly that representation is an internal relation. My attribution is based on having heard him say that truth-making is an internal relation about seventy or eighty times this summer.</p>
<p>You might find that the nascent internalism of the view that representation is an internal relation is not to your liking. I wouldn&#8217;t blame you fo that at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Mandik</title>
		<link>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-3053</link>
		<author>Pete Mandik</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.petemandik.com/blog/2006/09/18/everybody-hates-my-unicorn/#comment-3053</guid>
		<description>Chase,

The allegedly Heil-ish Hippogriff somewhat appealing, though I personally am not real happy with the first premise (on account of not being real happy saying that representation is any kind of relation, internal or otherwise, between a representer and a represented).

I confess to having read very little Heil. Where might I look for a concise statement of his thoughts on representation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chase,</p>
<p>The allegedly Heil-ish Hippogriff somewhat appealing, though I personally am not real happy with the first premise (on account of not being real happy saying that representation is any kind of relation, internal or otherwise, between a representer and a represented).</p>
<p>I confess to having read very little Heil. Where might I look for a concise statement of his thoughts on representation?</p>
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